Beanie Sigel vs. Jay-Z- Why Hov Won’t Return His Calls

October 30, 2009 by  
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Since Beanie Sigel’s halfway dis record against Jay-Z, “What You Talkin Bout” debuted on Kay Slay’s show on Hot97 last night, the internets/streets are going nuts about the Broad Street Bully airing out Hov.

First, the song. People are going ape shit but in reality, this song is like, not good. The beat, a middling drum pattern with a tick-tocky clock-like melody, is a mellow backdrop so you can clearly hear what Beanie’s saying. Except he’s not really saying much. which makes this song itself a total non-event.

Secondly, the interview. In the first half it sounds like Beans is genuinely peeved about a bunch of things that went on with Roc-A-Fella, all legitimate beefs. He talks a bit about going to jail, how the Young Gunz were only getting $1200 a night on the road with Jay, himself not being paid on tours, money that he thought he was due through a sneaker deal with Pro Keds, so on and so forth. Without any intimate knowledge of the business affairs that went on at Roc-A-Fella, I’ve no doubt in my mind that the  funny money situations Beans speaks about with album advances, recording budgets and Roc-A-Fella’s various business, were really occurring. This is the record business, shit happens.

The most striking part of the interview to me though, was when Beanie says he hasn’t spoken to Jay-Z in two years. He mentions that he can’t get in touch with Jay, that it takes talking to 5 people to speak with him. To hear Beanie tell it, Shawn Carter is like the Michael Corleone of the rap game. Except he’s really not.

Beanie Sigel thinks that Roc-A-Fella was a family. It wasn’t. Beanie Sigel was signed as a recording artist to Roc-A-Fella Records, given an album budget to record songs which the label could then exploit in the marketplace. In terms of that avenue of business, not mixtape songs or whether Beanie Sigel is “nice” or he bodied so and so on a track or went to war with Jadakiss or Nas, he was not very successful. To the best of my knowledge, only one Beanie Sigel album went Gold, and that was his first LP, The Truth, which was spearheaded by a Jay-Z single, “Anything.” Keep in mind this was the year 2000, when a rapper could literally take a piss on a record and it would have sold platinum or better. That Jay-Z had the single from another artist on his label’s debut LP should tell you something- Beans was a commercial liability from day 1. As Beans alludes to in his new song, he “brought the fellas to Roc-A-Fella.” Yeah, that’s exactly what he did. He lent an element of goonery to Roc-A-Fella when all they had was Jay and Bleek (hardly what I’d call goons).

Beanie was like Jay-Z’s Tony Yayo, except less paid.

On top of all this, Beanie signed with Dame Dash Music Group back in 2004. In a wikipedia entry on Beanie, it says he made the decision to sign with Dame over Jay because he’d never spent time around Jay on and off day. That he had a more personal relationship with Dame and Biggs. Now here he is, five years later, saying they were like a family, that he wants a phone call blah blah blah. He didn’t want that phone call in 2004, when he was sitting in Jay’s office (according to the Charlemagne interview), asking to be let out of his contract. So what’s the real story?

Perhaps Jay is like Michael Corleone, and once you take sides with another family, you’re done in his eyes. Or perhaps it’s a lot less dramatic, and it’s more like, as I alluded to above, Beanie never really being much of a marquee player, more like a Rick Mahorn-style bruiser who was on the team just to rough up the other team’s best player (Jadakiss, Nas, Jaz-0, etc).

In that respect, Beanie would fall in line with a whole assortment of characters who Jay-Z has left by the wayside as he’s moved on to bigger and better things.  Take a number- R. Kelly, Foxy Brown, Jaz-O, Amil, Dame Dash, DMX, Irv Gotti, Ski Beatz, Sauce Money… this list goes on and on. My thought is, Beanie should add his name to the list of those who may never get a return call from Hov. This whole scenario is sounding like a Tweet song right about now.

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91 Responses to “Beanie Sigel vs. Jay-Z- Why Hov Won’t Return His Calls”
  1. beezy says:

    well, dude you need a tissue…you feel bad for a 35 year old man who who failed to turn his opportunities into success??? Damn homeboy!!!

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  2. dreamhampton says:

    it’s shawn carter. sean combs. shawn carter. earlier, i posted a #musicmemory from the roc the mic tour: i remember hov backstage @ the superdome begging sigel to move to north jersey. pre-cases

  3. THE GHETTO GURU says:

    This fool said Jay called the Feds on him and that he will say things that would piss off Jay’s wife! This makes Jay a rat and Beans a snitch! Now you want to talk? Slap yourself! Beans seems mad that he didn’t get to suck the man’s dick! What a jailbird ass loser!

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  4. RunninTrainsOnAsians says:

    Beanie Weanie ain’t goin’ nowhere because out of all of the dudes whom “started some sh*t” with Camelboy, outside of Nas, the man had/has an actual career and credibility. This is only going to pique interest in him. I bet we’ll hear news of 50 or somebody else signing him real soon.

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  5. @YoungFesh

    “All i’m saying is if i’m married to Beyonce and another man’s action cause me to sleep in the spare room, i’m knocking somebody the f! out!”

    Are u serious? lol See..Thats what im talking about. Jay-z and Beyonce are two human beings! No different from you and I! When she takes off the leotard and laced wig she is just a woman who is his wife.

    If he has to sleep in the other room its because of HIS ACTIONS! Not beans. Im sure if Beyonce actually really knows her husband (which she should) theres nothing beanscan say that would put him in the other room! And if it does then who’s fault is that?

    Puh Lease. Give me a break…

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  6. he told him to fall back from that one now… im sure after he went in some and he seen it wasnt doing anything he told him to fall back.

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  7. katastrophee says:

    I think its interesting just how many people on here are just shitting on beans. beans had an actual relationship with jz. You people didn’t. Yet you refuse to even entertain the idea that beans may have a valid grievance with him.

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  8. HIPHOP says:

    Tell me a boss that does fight his own battles?……NONE!

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  9. HIPHOP says:

    Beans is kinda reminding me of that fat kid in Superbad, and Jay and Bleek is dat Jewish looking kid and Mclovin…

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  10. Big says:

    Beans dont sound like no angry girlfriend.. Dude sounds like a nigga who held some shit close to his chest for 7-8yrs almost and it all boiled over when his friend got him tossed out of a fucking Arena because he was scared of him!

    I’m sure the stuff he’s talking about when he mentioned beyonce has everything to do with Jay-Z’s questionable sexuality and nothing more!! A successful 40yr old man with one of the top 5 hottest chicks on the planet with no babies?


    Hes not a fucking national treasure!! HES NOT THE GREATEST RAPPER EVER!!! He’s a closeted B+ level rapper.. The manchurian rapper, an illusionist the master of Jedi Mind Tricks!! But I guess some people here havent lived long enough to know the whole story.. I hate getting older but its times like this I love that I lived thought and experienced the 90’s…You kids with this foolish theories just dont know better and havent lived through real to know what real is!!!


    People want leadership and in the absence of genuine leadership, they’ll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone. They want leadership. They’re so thirsty for it they’ll crawl through the desert toward a mirage(JAY-Z), and when they discover there’s no water, they’ll drink the sand. People don’t drink the sand because they’re thirsty. They drink the sand because they don’t know the difference.

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  11. Curtis Jackson
    Cam’ron Giles
    Suge Knight

    Want me to name a few more?

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  12. Reefer says:

    At the end of the day, this is a business. Jay-Z isn’t just an artist. He’s a BRAND. This is what some of ya’ll don’t understand. At some point, your commercial appeal has to overcome your street cred if you really want to eat in this game. Street cred is only valuable in the street, but if you wanna take it global then you gotta know when to act like you wanna be taken seriously by everyone that’s not in streets. I mean, c’mon. How you gonna build a label, fuck that, a BRAND when you catchin’ attempted murder charges? Seriously. When you tryin to reach the top, and the people around you are comfortable at the bottom or the middle then you have to leave them. You have to. It sucks but that’s the industry and that’s life period. Even if they had a “family” typ relationship, if your big brother is tryin to put you on to something, and you’re too hard headed to pay attention to whats really happening then don’t get mad when he decided to cut you out of the plans.

  13. Big says:

    The interesting thing about the analogy is that its based on mythical rules that dont really exist in no ghetto.. there is no honor amongst thieves! You can’t implement rules in a jungle just contain it until they give up the fight and enter into a depressed lethargic state! so its sorta silly…

    Even with that being said you can still be professional and a good friend and lookout for those around you.. the ROC wasn’t the ROC until those PhILLY BOYS GOT THERE look at the album history! Reasonable Doubt overshadowed by Nas movment, Biggie, Pac and the Wu… shit didnt state prop come after Nas success with the Firm? Just another example of his fake copycat ways!Vol 1 and Vol 2 was over shadowed by DMX and the Ruff Rider movement along with Ja Rule run then as beans said those Philly boys introduced Jay to that crack and he took off from there.. People just want to ignore!

    If beans and Dame are dumpster diving in 10yrs while Mr. Jay-Z has a trillion dollars thats not a good look for him.. its a very bad reflection of who he is…How much did 50 give buck before dumping him? The least Jay can do for Beans is release him with no strings but he wont do that!!

    And Kanye is so emotional and principle driven where does he stand on fucking your friends over? And if a new style in hip hop becomes popular where will that leave him?

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  14. Active423 says:

    what was 50 talking about jay didnt go after no artist after NAs ? Jay diss Game and Jim Jones blatantly 50 looking for publicity for his corny album thats coming out without a buzz. bet it flops like 300 or less thw first week and lets see his excuse. Cause thats what jay didnt want for him self to steadily go on everyone album and burn your self out.. then people tired of hearing you for our own project.(jay a smarter dud thats why he has longevity) thats why he drops once mayby twice a year.. Wayne gonna burn him self out as fif is. dont you see everyone takes a break go tour and then come back.. you cant keep dropping then its gonna be like dam him again

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  15. bc-tw says:

    Here are the facts — Jay-Z gave this man a record label and brought him on tour with him and put him on some classic records. The average rapper will never ever have half the success Beans has attained, and no matter how you look at it, Beans owes his entire career and fame to Jay.

    Sure, Benas could have taken another route in the music business, but he didn’t. He chose to sign with the Roc. As a result, he must adhere to his contract. So at the end of the day, regardless of all the other shit, Beans has only himself to blame.

    Then he wants to start crying about niggas not visiting him in jail, like life doesn’t keep moving for those of us on the outside. I thought Beans was a hardened street thug. If so, why is he crying about Jay not visiting or sending a fucking letter? Something doesn’t add up here.

    It’s just like Cam and Juelz or the Lox and Puff — Juelz and the Lox went crying to the media about their contracts, almost as if they didn’t voluntarily sign their contracts. Just like Game and Young Buck, they will always be paying 50 because they decided to sign a contract with him.

  16. me says:

    does da guy not get it wuz all bizness 4 jayz…since we using crime as an example…in da mafia dey kill they own family if dey feel they aint needed around anymore…so it is what it is…its kind of sad 2 hear a grown as man cry like a girl…what made him believe he wuz jay right hand man is what i wanna know!!!! maybe i missed sumthing…it just always appeared like a bizness relationship 2 me,but hey!

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  17. YouNG-FReSH2D says:

    “the ROC wasn’t the ROC until those PhILLY BOYS GOT THERE look at the album history!” You must have been brain dead in the late 90’s because.

    1. Reasonable Doubt came out in 96, in the midst of the East-Coast Westcoast beef,
    2.In My Lifetime, Vol. 1
    3.Streets Is Watching
    4.Vol. 2… Hard Knock Life
    5.The Professional
    6.The Coming of Age
    7.Vol. 3… Life and Times of S. Carter

    “Reasonable Doubt overshadowed by Nas movment,” is that before or after BROOKLYNS FINEST feat BIG, And a further cameo of the late great Christopher Frank White Wallace in Ain’t no nigga video feat Foxy Brown? The Firm came out in 97 that album is still gold.

    Biggie, Pac, Ref: Brooklyn’s finest and diss records aimed at Jay-Z by 2Pac “Bomb First” So how was Jay-Z’s career overshadowed by the east vs west beef and he was in it side by side with Frank White?

    “shit didnt state prop come after Nas success with the Firm?” Jay Z was not on State Property, but he was with one of the greatest rapper’s group called The Commision
    with Uncle Paulie, P. Diddy, Cease-A-Leo Degennero, Charli Baltimore, Jay-Z – Iceberg Slim and The Notorious B.I.G. – Frankie Baby back in 96.

    “Vol 1 and Vol 2 was over shadowed by DMX and the Ruff Rider movement along with Ja Rule” Do your research on the Label Murder Inc as you know it formed by Irv Gotti and his relationship with Jay, anyway……The collective consisted of Inc. Records’ star MC Ja Rule, Ruff Ryders’ DMX and Roc-A-Fella’s Jay-Z. Irv Gotti provided production for many of their songs together, and Mic Geronimo was an associate.

    Dame are dumpster diving in 10yrs while Mr. Jay-Z has a trillion dollars thats not a good look for him… What about Kanye, Rihanna, Ne-Yo, Bleek and Jeezy?

    What we talkin’ bout fiction Or we talkin bout fact/You talkin’ bout fiction? Hold up pardon my back!

    Scream at me!

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  18. YouNG-FReSH2D says:

    Brooklyns Finest

    Bomb 1st

    Jay-Z Feat Foxy Brown – Ain’t No Nigga

    Can’t argue with facts you can only post your worthless theories bum ass theories.

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  19. Skilla says:

    The question is why does he need a big name artist for him to succeed. His talent should speak for itself. I mean a little help is ok but constant help, that’s when you have wonder are people really into him or are they into him because of the big name artist.
    Look at kanye with or without jay he’s going to succeed.

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  20. StopCrying says:

    If most of your wisdom is derived from movie scenes, you need greater exposure.
    Beans compares himself to G-Money and Manolo, as if he co-founded or helped jump start Rocafella. Rocafella was in motion prior to Beans arrival. After Beans came, how many “hits” was Beans responsible for? State property made minimal impact in regards to music.

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  21. LUBY562 says:

    Gooch! What more can I say? This article sums it all up.

  22. habizo says:

    I want to know what we consider as fighting your own battles beans handled the jadakiss beef because of the fact that he had a legitimate issue with jada. jay battled nas and made three tracks towards nas the last one was blue print2.0 which was after the roc went in on nas. Jay also went at cam a ton of times on the ross remix and went at jimmy on the brooklyn high remix so why is it that everyone is sayin he doesnt fight his battles im confused.

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  23. habizo says:

    At the end of the day all im saying is that beans picked a funny time to talk about how mad he is it kinda sounds like jealousy at the same time if what he is saying is true than jay really owes beanie more than just droppin him they should talk like grown men but what do i know what do we all know I dont have mills like hov so maybe how he is is the way to be lol but nah all honesty keep the roc alive.

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  24. Drew says:

    Im off the Jay-Z/Beans beef for a minute. Speak about Beans albums. Its a sad thing that only one of his albums went gold. Dude can spit. Always good. One of the most slept on rappers in the game. Every album he put out went hard, but yet he was still vulnerable enough to let you in to his thoughts as well. Jay and Beans need to squash the beef. Hook up with Scarface, put out a collabo album.

  25. YouNG-FReSH2D says:


    People want leadership and in the absence of genuine leadership, they’ll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone. They want leadership. They’re so thirsty for it they’ll crawl through the desert toward a mirage(JAY-Z), and when they discover there’s no water, they’ll drink the sand. People don’t drink the sand because they’re thirsty. They drink the sand because they don’t know the difference.”

    “ya’ll niggas have some audacity” 50 Cent How can you ruine such a great quote to support your bullsh!t accusation and ridiculous claims? DAmn LOL!

    MzBrittany, LOL see the 2 comments above mine for further elaboration. LOL!

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  26. YouNG-FReSH2D says:

    “The Firm came out in 97 that album is still gold” Nope it’s plat but fact remains Jay still had reasonable doubt out and

    Who You Wit”

    “(Always Be My) Sunshine”

    During the Firm release which Feat, Foxy Brown a Firm member so there goes that theory.

    “The City Is Mine” came out too at that time period
    R.I.P Biggie Jigga & Frank White Live.

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  27. Big says:

    You just wrote a whole bunch of nothing.. I am mad at myself for trying to follow whatever logic you were trying to create!!!

    But whatever!!

    How old are you?

    You win by effective use of the dumbass method thats when you just say 20 different dumbass things and leave the person on the other end saying “WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT” so ding ding you win dumbass!!

    Reasonable Doubt wasnt a hit record in 96 sorry it came and went was a cult success at best we had All Eyes On Me and a few other 2pac albums.. Jay was going to be in a group with biggie because he thought that was going to be his big break and biggie was his idol…But nvm I love when Jay-Z fans look so stupid defending him.. Keep it up you help the cause brother!

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  28. YouNG-FReSH2D says:

    No thank you, you make youreself look stupid with your poor reading and comprehension skills.

    Anyway everbody that ever reads the sh!t you post knows you hate on Jay 24/7 and try pass it off like you got a PHD in hip-hop when your nothing but a Player Hating D!ckhead! LOL!

    You tried to act like history took place without Hov.
    Biggie 1st LP came out 94, The Junior Mafia album in 95 Jay came out in 96 with B.I.G on Reasonable Doubt.

    In the midst of the East Coast Westcoast beef Jay BIG and Diddy were side by side and formed the commision.

    Biggie died in March 1997 the album came out Jay-Z was on it.

    When Mase came Jay-Z is on his album with DMX, LOX e.t.c

    In 1998 Jay-Z Vol 2 came out after Pac & Big died and Jay put that work in.
    Hard Knock Life (Ghetto Anthem)”
    Nigga What, Nigga Who (Originator 99)”
    “Can I Get A…”
    Money Ain’t a Thang”

    Thats Jay-Z, Ja Rule, DMX, Too Short, Foxy Brown, Jermaine Dupri e.t.c on1 album
    RIAA Certification: 5x Platinum
    WW: 8,000,000+ Don’t act like you can erase history by talkin outta you ass.
    DMX came out 98 with 2 albums Jay-Z is on the 2nd LP

    Hard Knock Life Tour, who was on that? Huh

    Venni Vetti Vecci 1999-Jay-Z is on 2 songs history has been made, you just never witnessed it LOL! In 2009 Jay put out another number 1 album, still got 2 records in the charts and is the richest rapper alive, now my shit is of public record your shit…All rhymers with Alzheimers line up please…All bloggers with comments,/Please I come in peace,/See if we can kill your amnesia by the time I leave,/All mommies I harbour for vouch for me….[Chorus]Reminder
    Reminder,I got it if you need it LOL! “10 number 1 albums in a row,/Who better than me? (Scream at me)

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  29. Anonymous says:

    I just want to say your article really did little to expand on the subject it comes across as jaded and unethical and if that’s the way many of the camels fans feel I am glad I’m no longer one of them.

  30. Mr_Wayne says:

    Beans was just trying to paint a picture using entertainment as a referrence. Nothing wrong w/ that. If JZ had done it people would’ve been like “yo I feel u, Hov”.

    The fact still remains that JZ still did some fraudulent things. I’m not about to over analyze anything. I just think that a lot of JZ fans confuse his riches w/ realism. JZ has done anything and everything to sustain a wealthy position.

    BIG > JZ.

    2Pac owned JZ.

    Nas Ether-ed JZ.

    Em murdered him on his own $#!+.

    I admit that the thoughts above are random, but it just shows you that power and wealth give the false illusions of true dominance. When in fact he’s really just a good business man that knows how to rap well. Wake up and open your eyes people. These rappers aren’t as real as they’d lead you to believe.

    Honestly I don’t think the boy[JZ] really want it with Beans. When they were a “team”[ROC] lots of people were saying that Beans spit better than “Hov”. The man[Beans] is hungry! He sounds like he ain’t lost his skills. JZ lucky that “it ain’t a dis”.

    “An ounce of truth outweighs a kilo of lies all day.”


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  31. M. J. says:

    I think that Beans should have got his business side of the game in check first and then went after the fame and the success. It’s like any other company, you’re only as good as the money that you can make for the company. From the looks of it, Beans was never really that good, he may have had street credibility, but he didn’t have rappers longevity. If the worked for The Donald of Bill gates, he would have never dissed those guys, he would have just left the company. In a nutshell, it sounds like he’s a bit upset because as a man he got himself in legal troubles and it costed him his career. If he was a cash cow, then the company would have backed him because of his assets. Since he was a liability, the company could not afford to allow him to take the company down with him.

  32. M. J. says:

    If he worked for “The Donald” or “Bill Gates”, these are the corrections from the previously posted comments by M. J.

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